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		<title>By: andy davey</title>
		<link>http://thebloghorn.org/2010/04/08/parp-opinion-what-sort-of-cartoon/comment-page-1/#comment-2264</link>
		<dc:creator>andy davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distinction drawn above by David S – that editorial/political/comment cartoons can be classed as “journalistic” – is important in the way these cartoons are seen. The fact that this sector has traditionally included serious, non-funny drawing has led, over the decades, to a different view of editorial work, allowing for much beard-scraping, nodding approval and furrowing of high brows. I personally agree with Steve B (and probably most cartoonists) on this; I don&#039;t think this kind of comment is a higher art than humour. 

However, other factors are at play; some of the gag cartoon work published by newspapers - I exclude periodical magazines from this - over the decades has allowed the form to become degraded, partially because of the erosion of fees paid for speculative gag work leading to the best gag cartoonists exiting the arena. Tabloid readers might be forgiven for thinking that all gag cartoons were of the “fierce wife with rolling pin” or “desert island” variety. Great gag cartoonists do still exist (and some even thrive), but it is far more difficult for them to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction drawn above by David S – that editorial/political/comment cartoons can be classed as “journalistic” – is important in the way these cartoons are seen. The fact that this sector has traditionally included serious, non-funny drawing has led, over the decades, to a different view of editorial work, allowing for much beard-scraping, nodding approval and furrowing of high brows. I personally agree with Steve B (and probably most cartoonists) on this; I don&#8217;t think this kind of comment is a higher art than humour. </p>
<p>However, other factors are at play; some of the gag cartoon work published by newspapers &#8211; I exclude periodical magazines from this &#8211; over the decades has allowed the form to become degraded, partially because of the erosion of fees paid for speculative gag work leading to the best gag cartoonists exiting the arena. Tabloid readers might be forgiven for thinking that all gag cartoons were of the “fierce wife with rolling pin” or “desert island” variety. Great gag cartoonists do still exist (and some even thrive), but it is far more difficult for them to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: bill stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But rather fewer editors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But rather fewer editors.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s accurate, but it&#039;s not very exciting, Pete. I think those who ca demonstrate a particular proficiency in at least three of the main disciplines of cartooning ought to be able to call themselves a super-cartoonist. As Roger points out in such an eloquent and timely fashion, Shrewsbury will shortly be awash with super-cartoonists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s accurate, but it&#8217;s not very exciting, Pete. I think those who ca demonstrate a particular proficiency in at least three of the main disciplines of cartooning ought to be able to call themselves a super-cartoonist. As Roger points out in such an eloquent and timely fashion, Shrewsbury will shortly be awash with super-cartoonists!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dredge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Dredge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &#039;comment cartoonist&#039; seems to be more in vogue than &#039;political cartoonist&#039; these days. And it&#039;s probably a more accurate description of the job in hand,ie, commenting on the news stories of the day (and not exclusively from the world of politics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8216;comment cartoonist&#8217; seems to be more in vogue than &#8216;political cartoonist&#8217; these days. And it&#8217;s probably a more accurate description of the job in hand,ie, commenting on the news stories of the day (and not exclusively from the world of politics).</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Penwill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Penwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A visit to this year&#039;s Shrewsbury International Cartoon Festival (http://www.shrewsburycartoonfestival.com) will enable the public to see gag, political and editorial cartoons, caricatures and some comic book cartooning with exhibitions, talks, workshops, clinics and live drawing by the exponents of the art form in its various guises.  

The public will see the diversity and breadth of cartooning talent that exists in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A visit to this year&#8217;s Shrewsbury International Cartoon Festival (<a href="http://www.shrewsburycartoonfestival.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shrewsburycartoonfestival.com</a>) will enable the public to see gag, political and editorial cartoons, caricatures and some comic book cartooning with exhibitions, talks, workshops, clinics and live drawing by the exponents of the art form in its various guises.  </p>
<p>The public will see the diversity and breadth of cartooning talent that exists in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still strongly agree with Bill that the category should be more clearly defined, with either &quot;political&quot; or &quot;editorial&quot; preceding the word &quot;cartoonist&quot;, but I don&#039;t agree that this is about political cartoons being regarded as &quot;art&quot;, whilst others are not. It is far more about political cartoons being regarded as journalistic (topical and informative) rather than just pure entertainment, which most other forms of cartooning are. This means that gag cartoons and strip cartoons are basically lumped in with recipes and horoscopes, and neither of those will ever have an awards category either. Yes, that&#039;s hugely frustrating, and I don&#039;t like that any more than any other cartoonist, but there is a certain logic to it being that way, in that newspapers like to think of themselves as doing far more than just entertaining their customers. As Pete says, we can perhaps feel glad that they at least recognise editorial cartooning as having that extra function.

I think there may even be an argument for caricaturists (those that produce them to accompany newspaper articles) may feel more aggrieved than other cartoonists over being omitted from this category, since they too are usually involved in journalistic reporting and topicality, but then often they are the same bod that does the editorial cartoons anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still strongly agree with Bill that the category should be more clearly defined, with either &#8220;political&#8221; or &#8220;editorial&#8221; preceding the word &#8220;cartoonist&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t agree that this is about political cartoons being regarded as &#8220;art&#8221;, whilst others are not. It is far more about political cartoons being regarded as journalistic (topical and informative) rather than just pure entertainment, which most other forms of cartooning are. This means that gag cartoons and strip cartoons are basically lumped in with recipes and horoscopes, and neither of those will ever have an awards category either. Yes, that&#8217;s hugely frustrating, and I don&#8217;t like that any more than any other cartoonist, but there is a certain logic to it being that way, in that newspapers like to think of themselves as doing far more than just entertaining their customers. As Pete says, we can perhaps feel glad that they at least recognise editorial cartooning as having that extra function.</p>
<p>I think there may even be an argument for caricaturists (those that produce them to accompany newspaper articles) may feel more aggrieved than other cartoonists over being omitted from this category, since they too are usually involved in journalistic reporting and topicality, but then often they are the same bod that does the editorial cartoons anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: bill stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 07:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or sad and concerned that its remit was so narrow and specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or sad and concerned that its remit was so narrow and specific.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dredge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Dredge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting this in context, this was the UK Press Awards and whilst there were numerous journalist category awards and winners (business, sport, columnist, young, travel etc) I suspect that there was only the one &#039;cartoonist&#039; category award up for grabs. This probably says more about how the cartoonist is regarded within the press industry so we should be grateful that there was a category for &#039;Cartoonist of the Year&#039; at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting this in context, this was the UK Press Awards and whilst there were numerous journalist category awards and winners (business, sport, columnist, young, travel etc) I suspect that there was only the one &#8216;cartoonist&#8217; category award up for grabs. This probably says more about how the cartoonist is regarded within the press industry so we should be grateful that there was a category for &#8216;Cartoonist of the Year&#8217; at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Birch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut up and get a proper job, Bill. They need a sweeper-up and blood-swiller at the slaughterhouse, 5 a.m. shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shut up and get a proper job, Bill. They need a sweeper-up and blood-swiller at the slaughterhouse, 5 a.m. shift.</p>
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		<title>By: bill stott</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Royston&#039;s put it better than I did. Pure gag cartooning IS being marginalised. Its not recognized as an art form by art ctritics. Political cartooning is. My original comments were not intended to be in any way divisive. I had hoped for more comment from non-cartoonists, which may have , amongst other things, told us to shut up and go get a proper job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Royston&#8217;s put it better than I did. Pure gag cartooning IS being marginalised. Its not recognized as an art form by art ctritics. Political cartooning is. My original comments were not intended to be in any way divisive. I had hoped for more comment from non-cartoonists, which may have , amongst other things, told us to shut up and go get a proper job.</p>
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